Summons

[Shiro]

Sup /NM/, I was just thinking about how summons could be handled and came across a potential idea. What if clans (for a certain amount of rpp) were granted the summoning contract for a creature. This is all I got so far, what are your guy's thoughts ?

[Gatz]

My only fear would be summons would then be the thing to have in order to win. Where-as, I'd like summons to be rarer and only used in extreme cases, at least the King summons.

[Shiro]

Making them rare would be easy you could do it like this
==Charges==
Level 250 = free
Level 200 = 5 rpp
Level 150 = 10 rpp
Level 100 = 15 rpp
Level 050 = 20 rpp

The clan leader would automatically get the summon when it was purchased for the clan with rpp and could teach any of his clan members.
The clan members who had learned from the clan leader would be able to teach only one other person that summon (Teache/student) and the person learning would still have to pay the normal price. You could also have it so that before a non clan leader taught it they would have to be a certain age or rank.

As for making king summons only used in extreme circumstances you could make them moody and refuse to be summoned again for <insert time here>, depending on how powerful they are this could be a whole year (40 hours). This could decrease depending on how much the king liked the summoner, you could have a gauge for how friendly certain members of his family were with you, this could be tracked with an flist for summons. You would need to spend time fighting along side the lower ranking summons before the higher ones would fight with you for any amount of time. Basically you would need to be best friends with the rest of his family before he would even spare you the time of day.

[Ichiro]

That sounds pretty reasonable to me, as long as anyone who wants to learn it has to pay that many rpp's. I'm not really sure how I see it working out where a clan buys the summon. I mean...if everyone puts in rpp's and the clan leader gets the summon for free, that seems a little unfair to everyone else. However, I don't think that letting the clan leader teach it to anyone for free is a good idea either, even if said person had to be a member of the clan. Maybe if the clan leader had to pay the initial rpp's, could then teach it to anyone in their clan for half or full rpp's that it would normally cost that individual to learn based on Shiro's scale.

I think it might help if there was an age/rank limit on learning the summon at all.

I really like that idea on the king summons.

[Gatz]

Actually, why not have someone pay to become the rep for that animal? Like, pay 100 RPP, and you can hold onto the animal summon scroll. To write your name in the scroll, you must pay say...20 RPP, and then uber train to be able to summon anything. That way it isn't tied to a clan, because that doesn't make much sense to me, and it lets a large variety of people get access to it, but makes it difficult to Master.

[Shiro]

That sounds pretty great

[Ichiro]

Yeah, that sounds like a much better idea.

[Ichiro]

Would someone be able to put their name on multiple scrolls?

[Gatz]

Would someone be able to put their name on multiple scrolls?

I wouldn't think so, I'm not sure I'd let people remove their name from a scroll either. I think it is fair enough to say you're committed on that character, especially if summons were designed well enough so that they balanced out and no one summon was uber amazing.

[Shiro]

I dunno, I think it would be quite possible from an ic standpoint for someone to have their name on two scrolls. Since to sign you have to specifically use the blood from either your right or left hand and the hand you choose will be used from then on whenever you want to summon. So it should be possible to use your other hand on another contract.

[Ichiro]

Well, I just don't think it would be a good idea for people to be able to access as many as they wanted. I'd say one sounds good, but I guess two could be okay?

[Isamu]

Two should be the limit, but have it be a high level restriction, say 200 or so...
How would learning the summon jutsu work, lose a practice and rpps or just the rpp cost?
Also, not all situations require the kingly summons, so could the amount of chakra used determine which "level" of animal you get?
There could be multiple tiers set up, pay 10 rpp (min.) to learn the summon but you can't summon the king animal and an extra 5-10 rpp to get the king.

As for the animals, there's Frogs, Snakes, Slugs, Turtles( its Gai's ), Dogs (Kakashi), Monkeys (The Third Hokage), Ferrets (temari), and Spiders(one of the sound four)
Am I missing any?

[Yamashita]

My only issue with the "keeper of the scroll" bit is the issue of what happens when a keeper leaves the MUD for one reason or another without passing it on to another on the contract? If the keeper of the frog scroll had been gone for a few months and someone really wanted to learn frog summoning, they shouldn't be completely out of luck. I would think that there should be some sort of time limit for a keeper to be gone before it defaults to being a free (i.e. unclaimed) position, which a current frog summoner could purchase at a discounted rate.

[Shiro]

My only issue with the "keeper of the scroll" bit is the issue of what happens when a keeper leaves the MUD for one reason or another without passing it on to another on the contract? If the keeper of the frog scroll had been gone for a few months and someone really wanted to learn frog summoning, they shouldn't be completely out of luck. I would think that there should be some sort of time limit for a keeper to be gone before it defaults to being a free (i.e. unclaimed) position, which a current frog summoner could purchase at a discounted rate.

First of all just because you want a certain type of animal as your summon and someone else has it, it doesn't mean that they will let you sign on with that animal. For instance say I get a crane summon and you are just dying to have it, in all likelihood I am not going to let you sign on. I will keep my scroll and only let my heir or top pupal see it, let alone sign it. So you see you would be out of luck and no amount of wishing would let you get your hands on it. I can't say for certain, but I think anyone else who saves up 100 rpp would be the same. Scrolls aren't some library book you lend out to whomever asks to use them, they are much more personal (sorta like underwear).

Second, Temari had a kamaitachi not a ferret. A kamaitachi is a blade wielding weasle of myth.

Third, for the same reason we don't have sharingan and other bloodline limits as player accessible skills I would suggest that any shown summon from the series not be used in the game.

Lastly, I don't think anyone who has earned 100 rpp and spent it on a summon should have it taken away from them after any amount of time. For you see those 100 rpp represent a legend they have created about their character and I don't doubt they would continue to rp after they get their summon. So taking away their scroll for inactivity would be like taking away part of the legend they have built around their character, and that is just not right.

[Ichiro]

You still didn't address the problem of what to do if someone isn't around. While someone may not be willing to give it their summon, it's not really fair to say "Well, you'd like to talk to <someone> about getting <some summon>, but they haven't been on for 4 months now. They've never seen you on, they don't know you, and thusly they may not wish to let you sign the scroll...but even if they did you still can't because they're not around."

The other issue with permanently buying a scroll is, what happens if someone else wants that particular scroll, saves up 100 rpp, and the first person hasn't been around for a long period of time? Is that person just completely and utterly out of luck? That doesn't really seem fair.

As far as not having summons from the show, I don't see why we can't. Actually, what would seems like it would make sense and address the issue of permanently buying a scroll, is to have multiple scrolls of each type. They may not be exactly the same, but similar. For instance, there might be three scrolls that allow a ninja to summon dogs. They wouldn't be the same dogs, and they might even be slightly different in abilities/stats, but they we would be similar enough that people wouldn't be completely out of luck by some random chance. With multiple scrolls, each would count as one signature as well, so if a ninja was really devoted to dogs, he could sign two different dog scrolls potentially.