Right now we have 2 problems:
1) We should have a way to lsc all stats (at present we can effectively only train 4 - CON/DEX/INT/WIS - as STR training takes far too long and LCK training is only through answering questions, and CHA training is impossible)
2) Kata Hebi and Kata Tsuru (and other styles) don't do anything
This is a way to solve both problems with one solution - to introduce Kata Hebi and Kata Tsuru. Below are my thoughts as to which stats that each of the styles and forms should raise. Feel free to offer your own ideas and rationale for these styles and forms, and any other styles and forms (e.g. Panda style).
Existing:
Kata Kame Shell - Raises CON
Kata Kame Snapping - Raises DEX
Kata Kame Gentle - Raises DEX/CON
Kata Kame Great - Raises INT/WIS
Proposals:
Kata Hebi Viper - Raises LCK
Rationale: Vipers can kill instantly, and you need luck to get out of their way.
Kata Hebi Cobra - Raises LCK/DEX
Rationale: Cobras can kill instantly, and you need luck to get out of their way. You also need a lot of dexterity to avoid the spitting venom.
Kata Hebi Python - Raises STR
Rationale: Python means snake which is not poisonous, but they can be very large, hence you need strength to get out of their way.
Kata Tsuru Sleeping - Raises WIS/CON
Rationale: Sleep is in many ways like deep meditation, hence your wisdom increases as you sleep. You also rise from a sleep well rested, increasing your constitution.
Kata Tsuru Crying - Raises INT
Rationale: Crying is a very sad thing to do, but what does not kill you makes you stronger, and emotionally stronger is intelligence.
Kata Tsuru Eating - Raises STR/CON
Rationale: Eating raises your strength as well as your constitution, as the nutrients fill you up.
Kata Tsuru Flying - Raises CHA
Rationale: You look very good up there in the skies, and it raises your charisma.
Overall justification:
At present:
STR - pushup, situp & unarmed (all very slow)
INT - kata kame great (with wis), study, waterwalk
WIS - kata kame great (with int), meditate
DEX - kata kame snapping , kata kame gentle (with con), shadowbox
CON - kata kame shell, kata kame gentle (with dex), chakramold, treewalk
CHA - not possible
LCK - answering questions (very slow)
With my proposal:
STR - kata hebi python, kata tsuru eating (with con), pushup, situp & unarmed
INT - kata tsuru crying, kata kame great (with wis), study, waterwalk
WIS - kata tsuru sleeping (with con), kata kame great (with int), meditate
DEX - kata hebi cobra (with lck), kata kame snapping, kata kame gentle (with con), shadowbox
CON - kata tsuru eating (with str), kata kame shell, kata kame gentle (with dex), chakramold, treewalk
CHA - kata tsuru flying
LCK - kata hebi viper, kata hebi cobra (with dex), answering questions
Now we have addressed the issue of having no way to lsc charisma, and both strength and luck can reliably lsced when they couldn't before. It also gives a few useful combinations to lsc 2 stats at once.
Kata Hebi & Kata Tsuru - new ways to raise stats
Re: Kata Hebi & Kata Tsuru - new ways to raise stats
For the hebi styles, it should not increase LCK, as you COULD increase LCK by evading their strikes, not imitating them. It also says in the help file that the Serpent King did not give the defensive part of the hebi style, so thus you could not increase LCK while using hebi style. I suggest we move away from the types of snakes, and move towards the characteristics of specific snakes. Like Rattle, it would increase LCK as you would need to get lucky to distract the opponent and it would also increase INT as it would require you to out smart the enemy. There are more suggestions I have for hebi style, but I would like to get back to leveling on the MUD. 'Til laterz!
Re: Kata Hebi & Kata Tsuru - new ways to raise stats
I would change the DEX in Cobra to CHA, as cobras are often used in snake charming.
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Re: Kata Hebi & Kata Tsuru - new ways to raise stats
Yamashita pointed me here when we were discussing Katas and I said I could help. I'm not sure what needs to be done, but on behalf of the NM community, we are highly looking forward to new katas.
What sort of ideas are you looking for? I'm sure I can bounce some decent ideas. Are you looking for more forms? (Hebi forms? Tsuru forms? Panda forms?) Are you looking for help-file updates/explanations? Are you looking for the kata sentence outputs (the yellow sentences that show you what you're doing during that form)?
Let me know what I can do to help cut down your work load. New Katas are highly anticipated.
What sort of ideas are you looking for? I'm sure I can bounce some decent ideas. Are you looking for more forms? (Hebi forms? Tsuru forms? Panda forms?) Are you looking for help-file updates/explanations? Are you looking for the kata sentence outputs (the yellow sentences that show you what you're doing during that form)?
Let me know what I can do to help cut down your work load. New Katas are highly anticipated.
Re: Kata Hebi & Kata Tsuru - new ways to raise stats
I'm pretty sure yamashita meant for you to check out the LSC 3.0 thread. I think gatz wants kata to be more than just sitting there watching your character do something as his or her stats increase.
Re: Kata Hebi & Kata Tsuru - new ways to raise stats
I like the idea of adding in katas for all the styles and was actually surprised to find out Hebi wasn't in the game. I think you need to rethink your stat gains and reasons though because kata are suppose a series of exercises that are suppose to imitate something, so they would look a bit more like this:
Kata Hebi Viper - Raises CHA or INT
Vipers are known to play dead more so than attack an aggressor. They are also very showy, often displaying their wide open mouths and fangs. Imitating a viper would require you to either out-smart your opponent or to look intimidating.
Kata Hebi Cobra - Raises CHA and/or DEX
Cobras are often thought of as graceful and hypnotic. To imitate a cobra one would have to take on these qualities.
Kata Hebi Python - Raises STR
Pythons are constrictors that will suffocate their prey with their immense size and strength. Imitating a python would involve lots strength.
Kata Tsuru Sleeping - Raises DEX/CON
Cranes are known to sleep standing up with their heads folded under a wing. Imitating a sleeping crane would require dexterity and constitution to maintain the pose for long periods of time. Cranes are often a symbol of longevity in Asian lore so a boost to CON seems to make a lot of sense.
Kata Tsuru Eating or Fishing - Raises DEX/INT
Cranes are excellent fishers. A kata imitating a fishing crane would require quick snapping motions to "grab" fish out of the water along with intelligence to be able to gauge where the fish is due to water refraction. Maybe make this only doable near a water source like waterwalking.
Kata Tsuru Dancing - Raises CHA
A cranes mating dance is one of it's most well known activities. In order to attract a mate a male crane will dance for her to prove his worth. A kata based off of this activity would require grace and successful attempts would boost charisma.
Based on these we would now have LSC from
STR: Python
DEX: Cobra(?), Sleeping, Eating/Fishing
INT: Viper(?), Eating/Fishing
CON: Sleeping
CHA: Viper(?), Cobra(?), Dancing
That still leaves LCK out of an LSC, but I don't think a kata should raise LCK because LCK should have nothing to do with repetitive exercises. Maybe dice rolls or gambling but instead.
Kata Hebi Viper - Raises CHA or INT
Vipers are known to play dead more so than attack an aggressor. They are also very showy, often displaying their wide open mouths and fangs. Imitating a viper would require you to either out-smart your opponent or to look intimidating.
Kata Hebi Cobra - Raises CHA and/or DEX
Cobras are often thought of as graceful and hypnotic. To imitate a cobra one would have to take on these qualities.
Kata Hebi Python - Raises STR
Pythons are constrictors that will suffocate their prey with their immense size and strength. Imitating a python would involve lots strength.
Kata Tsuru Sleeping - Raises DEX/CON
Cranes are known to sleep standing up with their heads folded under a wing. Imitating a sleeping crane would require dexterity and constitution to maintain the pose for long periods of time. Cranes are often a symbol of longevity in Asian lore so a boost to CON seems to make a lot of sense.
Kata Tsuru Eating or Fishing - Raises DEX/INT
Cranes are excellent fishers. A kata imitating a fishing crane would require quick snapping motions to "grab" fish out of the water along with intelligence to be able to gauge where the fish is due to water refraction. Maybe make this only doable near a water source like waterwalking.
Kata Tsuru Dancing - Raises CHA
A cranes mating dance is one of it's most well known activities. In order to attract a mate a male crane will dance for her to prove his worth. A kata based off of this activity would require grace and successful attempts would boost charisma.
Based on these we would now have LSC from
STR: Python
DEX: Cobra(?), Sleeping, Eating/Fishing
INT: Viper(?), Eating/Fishing
CON: Sleeping
CHA: Viper(?), Cobra(?), Dancing
That still leaves LCK out of an LSC, but I don't think a kata should raise LCK because LCK should have nothing to do with repetitive exercises. Maybe dice rolls or gambling but instead.